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Post by hungoverheroes on Mar 21, 2014 8:03:03 GMT -5
is it true that all teams have to have ineligible players promoted or dropped from their farm teams and LTR lists?
according to espn the season starts tomorrow. In Australia.
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Post by Doubledays on Mar 21, 2014 14:24:26 GMT -5
God I hope so (not about the season starting tomorrow but more about finalizing rosters). thats the main reason I stopped picking in the waiver draft.
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Post by 2008worldchamps on Mar 21, 2014 16:54:23 GMT -5
I sent out an email about this just now, but our season will start March 30. Rosters have to be finalized by 9pm March 27
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Mar 21, 2014 16:59:06 GMT -5
so the official games tomorrow don't count? That means those of us who have diamondbacks and/or dodgers are going to miss out points!?!?
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Post by 2008worldchamps on Mar 21, 2014 17:19:33 GMT -5
Well since the Waiver Draft didnt get done until today, and it's only fair to give teams some time to finalize rosters, Jim and I decided it was best to start the fantasy season on the 30th. Any stats accumulated tomorrow will not count. Also didnt hurt that when I looked at trying to start tomorrow ESPN was going to have us have 9 SP starts rather than 6 which honestly didnt make me happy.
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Post by Jim W. (Springfield Isotopes) on Mar 21, 2014 17:38:23 GMT -5
The start this year is going to be a bit hinky this year, and that's my fault. Some things came up and the Waiver Draft came off the rails, which is making the roster finalization conflict with baseball's opening weekend. Like I said, this is on me, I apologize. I dropped the ball.
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Mar 21, 2014 21:10:14 GMT -5
The start this year is going to be a bit hinky this year, and that's my fault. Some things came up and the Waiver Draft came off the rails, which is making the roster finalization conflict with baseball's opening weekend. Like I said, this is on me, I apologize. I dropped the ball. I get it and it happens, so I am not griping and moaning about you guys or you personally.....BUT.... I'm going to lose Kershaw's stats?!?!?! Either and Kemp too? I haven't looked at other teams, but there are other players of real value that aren't going to count? So all of us with Dodgers and Diamondbacks are going to only get 160 games worth of stats for those players, while every other team gets 162 games of stats? That isn't right at all. Can we at least add/subtract the points onto our weekly total once the league is activated? So all of us who have players in our starting lineup, get those added back to our total on March 30th, once we are live? We have to do something to fix this...while it's not fair to get everyone to finalize their rosters by tomorrow, it's not fair at all to lose out on 2 full games of stats for the players on 2 MLB teams....
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Post by Jim W. (Springfield Isotopes) on Mar 21, 2014 22:09:50 GMT -5
Not taking it personally, and I'm sure I'm kicking myself in the ass more than you or anybody else right now, so no worries.
First and foremost, nobody knows who is of "real value" until the games are played. If Kershaw gets rocked, or Ethier/Kemp get saddled with a couple golden sombreros while Wade Miley throws a perfect game, our definitions of "real value" will likely change, at least from the perspective of this weekend. And for the record, I'm the proud owner of Paul Goldschmidt, who could also potentially have a few monster games not count.
This is all moot though, since it's looking like instead of skipping the first weekend we're going to have to skip the first Matchup since ESPN won't let me simply push back the start date (at least not that I can tell). This, while not ideal, would take care of the issue of fairness with regards to players playing this weekend. Since those games would only impact the first Matchup, if that Matchup is skipped then nobody gets shafted. The only problem is it delays the scratching of our fantasy baseball itch.
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Mar 22, 2014 7:26:19 GMT -5
This sucks man. Sure we all now have a BYE week 1, but that still doesn't negate the fact that 2014 is now an unbalanced season for everyone. For 12 teams, we're going to be missing out on 2 full games worth of stats that could make or break a teams season (getting the week 1 win could be what got them into the playoffs).
I'm still not understanding why we can't add in the LA/ARI points for the teams who started those players. Get the league active by 8/30 and the week 1 points for those affected teams, add (or subtract) it back in.
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Post by 2008worldchamps on Mar 22, 2014 10:42:57 GMT -5
Respectfully, I disagree. Normally our schedule breaks down like so:
9 games vs divisions teams 4 games vs every other division 1 extra game vs a non division team (take a look at last year's schedule. Jim played you twice)
Every year we get an extra long week either right before or right after the All-Star break. I make sure that this week is always a game vs a non division opponent considering just how important division games are. I mean our first tie breaker is intra-division record. Considering the fact that this first week was going to be a division game (first week always is) with 12 SP starts, and the fact that ESPN will not allow us to simply lop off today's games, starting what should be week 2 is the fairest solution. By starting week 2 what are we losing? Well, instead of the schedule above, we will get:
9 games vs divisions teams 4 games vs every other division
And along with that all division games should have a 6 start limit. I understand you wanting to get started and wanting to see your guys rack up their stats (heck, Jim's losing out on Goldy and I'm losing out on HanRam) but the facts are with the Waiver Draft ending yesterday this is what we were dealt. I disagree with the argument that this now puts forward an unbalanced schedule for two reasons. One, with the extra week being lopped off and everyone in your division playing the exact same schedule, I'd say this is more balanced schedule. Two, if we played in a roto league I'd be 100% on board with your concerns. But we don't. This is a head to head league. So as long as everyone misses out on week 1 production I don't understand what the concern is with losing those week one stats. They would only have counted towards your week 1 match-up, which now is not an issue for anyone.
It sucks I know, but really this is the fairest solution for everyone. Trying to track stats from a game we are not playing so we can add them to the week's score would accomplish what that lopping off a week wouldn't? I suppose it would leave an extra game in the schedule but if I have the choice of one extra game vs a non division opponent or doing what we are doing and getting a balanced division schedule minus the extra week, I'll take the shorter schedule. Because in the end, 90% of the time it's the division schedule that decides playoff spots anyhow.
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Mar 22, 2014 13:04:26 GMT -5
If the playoffs come down to the division play, then why don't we just always start in the 2nd week of the season? This just sucks...I'm being pretty selfish here, but others are going to lose out as well.
But per usual...nothing's going to change so week 2 we go...yippee.
is what it is....as always invigorating talks
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Post by Doubledays on Mar 23, 2014 7:19:09 GMT -5
I am wrong is saying that if we had our rosters finalized (LTIR and ineligible minors) before the waiver draft started (as I had been lobbying for) this could have been avoided and our season could have been started along with the actual MLB season?
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Post by 2008worldchamps on Mar 23, 2014 14:09:39 GMT -5
Yes. Because even had we had all rosters finalized before the Waiver Draft, it would still take 3 days after we processed the offline draft for all players on the waiver wire to clear waivers. With that being the case, no one could have added anyone from the waiver wire, including guys from your farms, until after the first round of games which was something we didn't want. Again, the issue was that the Waiver Draft didn't end until the day before the Australia games, not the roster finalization.
Another issue is that, of the time I sent the "Last bit of business" email, I believe Jim and I were the only teams to have our keepers set. Had we processed the offline draft immediately after the Waiver Draft ended, anyone who didn't have their keepers set would have lost their roster players (something we would not do). Again, another reason why we need some time after the drafts to process the offline draft.
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Post by Jim W. (Springfield Isotopes) on Mar 23, 2014 15:02:05 GMT -5
I am wrong is saying that if we had our rosters finalized (LTIR and ineligible minors) before the waiver draft started (as I had been lobbying for) this could have been avoided and our season could have been started along with the actual MLB season? Maybe, maybe not. The reason things are the way they are is because the Waiver Draft dragged on. Some of this is Ed and I's fault. Like I said above, things came up and we dropped the ball. Don't know what to say about that other than I'm sorry, I screwed up. Some of it is due to the fact that emails weren't regularly getting sent after picks, and people were missing entirely. That drags the draft out, and that combined with outside circumstances keeping Ed and I from being as on the ball as I'd like led to the situation we're in. Even if the rosters were finalized we'd still have to process the offline draft, which I like to have done three day (or one full waiver period) before games start, which wouldn't have been possible. None of that is to say that we shouldn't maybe look at finalizing roster earlier in the future, and like I told you when you brought it up, I'm perfectly fine either way. I just don't think it would have avoided this situation completely had we done it this year.
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Post by Doubledays on Mar 23, 2014 17:00:37 GMT -5
Fair enough, I was just asking the question. I wasn't sure if it would have helped or not, but I can't see how it hurts.
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Mar 23, 2014 17:09:20 GMT -5
Yes. Because even had we had all rosters finalized before the Waiver Draft, it would still take 3 days after we processed the offline draft for all players on the waiver wire to clear waivers. With that being the case, no one could have added anyone from the waiver wire, including guys from your farms, until after the first round of games which was something we didn't want. Again, the issue was that the Waiver Draft didn't end until the day before the Australia games, not the roster finalization. Another issue is that, of the time I sent the "Last bit of business" email, I believe Jim and I were the only teams to have our keepers set. Had we processed the offline draft immediately after the Waiver Draft ended, anyone who didn't have their keepers set would have lost their roster players (something we would not do). Again, another reason why we need some time after the drafts to process the offline draft. There is the ability for the LM to set all the keepers and to add farm team players to teams (which really we should have been adding all along and it shouldn't be done after we process the league draft, but I digress), bypassing waivers and to reset waivers. Only issue would players couldn't have been added before the Australian game...which considering the fact that 26 players from both teams are already on rosters, odds are that there aren't too many players we'd all be putting waiver claims in on from LA and/or ARI. It's all moot now...but there are solutions to nearly everything that's gone on in here lately. Hopefully it's lessons learned for next off season.
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Post by Fenway Faithful on Apr 3, 2014 18:26:47 GMT -5
Are we going to be good to go for this Monday, to start the season?
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Post by 2008worldchamps on Apr 3, 2014 19:47:48 GMT -5
Yes Randy. League opens on Monday and rosters get processed on 4/4 @ 9pm eastern. Still waiting on Riot and Junkies to set their keepers, and after we process the draft everyone will be allowed to make FA adds.
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